My Statement of (Non)Belief
(or, Why I Don’t Believe What I Don’t Believe)
I was recently asked by Zhoen to explain why I went from a Fundamentalist, Bible-thumpin’ Christian to a “non-believer.” The answer is simple, yet complex. I could simply say that one day “I started thinking,” but using that phrase would just annoy a lot of people. But basically, that’s what it comes down to. I started thinking about the Bible and religions and came to the conclusion that it was all wrong.
Or let me explain it this way: Imagine you’re back in school, sitting in a math or science class. The teacher is explaining a theorem that’s new to you. You’re sitting there taking notes and following along. A smile comes across your face because you actually “get” what the teacher is saying. Then, as the lecture goes on, your smile begins to fade and suddenly what once made sense to you doesn’t. You sit there trying to figure it out, but it just won’t make sense. That’s religion and me.
So, to explain further, I guess I shall start in the beginning.
“In The Beginning.”
“In the Beginning God” preachers love to quote. The word “God” is used 30 times in the first chapter of the Bible. So, according to the Bible, God created everything. Fine. Who created God? (You know this argument, I’m sure.) Well, they say, God is everlasting. But we humans can’t grasp eternity. And this argument goes on and on. All reason (for most) stops at “In the Beginning God.” Nothing more has to be said. No more inquiries. No more thinking. It’s settled. (And this is why I fear “Intelligent Design” being taught as science in classrooms.)
Now you’re probably thinking that I subscribe to the Big Bang Theory. No, I don’t. The concept that something really tiny, in the vacuum of… what? suddenly expands and fills up what we call the universe? That doesn’t make sense to me either. It makes as much sense to me as an infinite being yelling out “Lights!” and creating everything.
Me, I subscribe to a third theory. I don’t know what it is, though. But they’re all theories. That’s all they can ever be.
I will not pick apart the Old Testament and explain verse by verse what’s wrong with it. (Like fire and sulfur coming down on Sodom and Gomorrah. Tower of Babel. Jonah. Earth standing still for a day. [I do believe that would tear up the Earth. But that’s science talking.])
One summer during my high school days, I was hiking through the Bendelier National Park in New Mexico with my aunt. We were collecting fossils. Now, New Mexico has been land-locked for tens of thousands of years. More likely hundreds of thousands of years. Yet, I have fossils from there. Christians say that they’re from the Great Flood. But I don’t buy that line of reasoning. It takes special conditions to create fossils. And even if it rained for 40 days and nights, how did so many clams get up there? I’m pretty sure they weren’t indigenous to New Mexico six thousand years ago? Then they say that God put them (fossils) there. But I’ll get to that later.
There are lots of stories that we’re told are true that just couldn’t possibly be. I find that unsettling.
The Bible Tells Me So
The Bible and most religions that use a “sacred text” fall under what I call the Fargo Principle. The movie “Fargo” has, at the beginning, has a disclaimer that says that the movie you are about to watch is based on a true story. But in reality it isn’t. (At least according to everything I’ve read on it.) But the movie says it’s true, so you watch it with that mindset. Religions are the same.
The Bible says it’s true. (I believe it’s in a Psalm, but if you know the book/chapter/verse, I’d appreciate knowing it.) Therefore it’s hard to argue with people whose basis for truth is something saying it is. (I know of someone who says he has an invisible Pink Elephant (or dragon?) in his garage. He says it’s true. How can I argue with that?
Now this isn’t just a Judeo/Christian method either. The Qur’an was given to Muhammad through Divine Revelations. The Mormon Church began after Joseph Smith had that chat with an Angel. Siddhattha Gotama achieved enlightenment/nirvana. Charles Taze Russell just rewrote the Bible into his New World Bible that the Jehovah’s Witnesses use.
So by saying a work was divinely inspired, it makes it true, no matter how far-fetched the writing in it is. It comes down to a bumper sticker: “God Says It, I Believe It, That Settles It.”
Time to Vote on the Will of God
The Bible was put together by a committee. Of course, they said they were inspired. (Can’t argue with that now, can we?) And if you know anything about committees, you know the processes.
Church leaders got together. They were a varying bunch, with different thoughts on Christianity, different ways to approach it. They got into a room, looked at the manuscripts, and said that one was truly the Word of God, but that one wasn’t.
Thus was born our Bible.
I however really doubt it was that simple.
James Madison, one of America’s Founding Fathers, wrote the “Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787.” It described the process of creating our Constitution. (It really is must reading for any American.)
And it wasn’t a pretty sight. They could have put a banner over the door that read: We Agree to Disagree. No one agreed completely with anyone else. And the finished document, our Constitution, didn’t look like it came from one person.
I had a cartoon I cut out of Leadership Magazine (for Christian ministers) that had two people on each side of a table and one man standing. The caption read (I’m paraphrasing, since I no longer have it): That’s three votes for, and two votes against. Any more comments on the Will of God?”
Like the creation of our Bible.
A bunch of men with different view interpreting God’s will. And we have to take their word that they were not biased. They got together, put together our Bible, but left a lot of works out. Works that didn’t conform to their views.
All the gospels were written years after Jesus’ crucifixion. Someone told someone who told someone who wrote it down. (And I’m sure a lot of it was embellished.) Then someone rewrote what was written, ad nauseam. What we know for sure is that a man in the early First Century started this new cult (using a term that was used at the time) that spread throughout the Roman Empire. That’s it. Anything written about him was written after the fact. (And, yes, there was a Jesus. Yes, he made some people upset. Whether he was crucified or not is up for debate.)
Faith of a Mustard Seed
We’re told that in order to go to heaven, one must have faith in Jesus/God. Yet, we live on a planet that has so much going against faith in the Bible. But I’m supposed to put aside logic, believe that the Earth is only about seven thousand years old, and that humans came from dust. Plus, God came to earth, born of a Virgin, and died for us.
And if you don’t belive that, you get to go to Hell.
(Yes, it’s a bit simplified, but the basic construct is accurate.)
And this God is all Good. (Except for the Old Testament, when he’s not.)
I’ve already mentioned fossil hunting in New Mexico, so I’ll go west. The Grand Canyon is a marvelous sight. Over millions of years, water has cut into the ground to give us proof that the earth is well over seven thousands of years old. You can see it in the cliff walls; the lines that show the passage of time, much like the rings in trees. Years that were dry, years of rain, of volcanic activity. It shows how the Earth’s plates shifted. It truly is a marvel.
But we’re told that God made it that way. And if you don’t believe that (and other things) you go to Hell.
I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe that the Earth is only seven thousand years old. (And that whole Jesus is the Son of God thing.) I have a brain, and I can use logic.
“But God put all that there to test our faith?” What kind of an insecure All-Powerful, All-Omnipotent Creator needs to test us? I think anyone who uses logic alone to see that the Earth is billions of years old should get a “Get out of Hell Free” card, get to pass go, and still collect $200.
Any God who plays mind games with his creatures is Evil. Especially when the consequence is Eternal Damnation.
Onward Christian Soldier
Every religion has its bad apples.
And they reflect on every member of that religion.
Even Buddhists. There’s a militant faction of them in Asia who would kill. Doesn’t sound right, does it? But there are Christians who would kill, too.
And lots of other Christians support it.
Take those that bomb abortion clinics. Those that do have no problem if a doctor who performs abortions die. God, you know, would support that. Yet I don’t hear a huge outcry against it. Then you have mass murderers. Most profess a belief in Christianity. Or child molesters. Besides the Catholic Church, many are nice, normal folks who are happily married, with kids, Boy Scout leaders, etc. And they go to church every Sunday. Where’s the outcry?
Then you folks like Fred Phelps, who goes around with this zealots with pronouncements of anti-gay blather and protests at funerals funerals! of people who died of AIDS. Where’s the outcry against this bigotry?
Or let’s take Muslims. In the May 16, 2005 issue of Government Computer News, in the article entitled “The Invisible War on Terrorism,” on page 10, column 5, second paragraph, it says:
”With approximately 1.5 billion Muslims in the world (only about 20 percent of them Arabs), Kharoba [anti-terrorism expert] throws out an estimate that perhaps 10 percent of the total, or 150 million people, sympathize with Islamist terrorists. Of that group, maybe 1 or 2 percent will actually take action. That means there are between 15 million and 30 million individuals willing to commit acts of terror.”
All in the name of religion.
Now, most religionists are nice, normal folks. They raise their kids the best they can, go to church, and live their lives. But I don’t hear any outcries from normal folks against these people who are perverting their religion. And that bothers me.
One Nation Under God
“America is a Christian Nation.” We’ve heard it. People say that our Founding Fathers based our Republic on Christian Principles. Of course, that’s not true. (Do your homework.) It sounds nice, but it’s not accurate.
A lot of the Christianizing of America happened in the 1950s. It was during the McCarthy era, where everyone but him and his friends were communists. And in order to separate America for Communists, they added things like “In God We Trust” and “One Nation Under God” to somehow make us Christian. But our Founding Fathers, recently (comparatively) off the boat from a Church of England country, knew that a theocracy our country couldn’t be. (And, even though “We’re endowed by our creator,” it doesn’t say which one, or that creator should be the basis for government.)
Now, at the beginning of the 21st century, it seems we are trying to rewrite history and bring God into our legislative halls. And that’s not good for anyone. Ask Ancient Rome.
Rome thrived for centuries. It was an Empire that was constantly growing, and held great influence in the world. But as all great Empires do, it fell. And not, as the old cliché goes, in a day.
Now, why did Rome fall? A lot of people would say, especially in today’s culture, that it fell because of its pagan beliefs and its rampant immorality, including homosexuality. And if you say that, you’d be wrong.
It thrived during its pagan days. It expanded and grew and influenced the world during that time.
It fell after Christianity became its state religion. But Christianity didn’t make it fall. It fell because of plague and invaders. (The Roman Empire was spread so far it couldn’t defend itself from invaders.) Sound like anything going on today?
My point: religion shouldn’t be the basis for government. Christianity didn’t save Rome; it will not save America.
Amen
I find the Bible to be an interesting book. Full of fanciful stories, intriguing people, and wondrous places. I don’t believe, however, that it’s gospel.
And by saying that, I’m labeled as either an atheist, or heretic, or both. Now, I’ll grant you the heretic label. And I wouldn’t quite call me an atheist, either. (Now you’ll put me in the agnostic camp.) I don’t believe we can know. And I don’t think it’s important, either. But maybe that’s just the Taoist in me talking.
Let me end by saying this isn’t written to dissuade anyone from believing his or her own religion. In fact, I really don’t have a problem with religion, unless it’s being forced upon me. Anyone is free to believe what they want. Including me. This is still the America of our Founding Fathers (isn’t it?) As such, I don’t want religionists telling me who I can or can’t sleep with, what I can or can’t read, what I can or can’t write.
And with these so-called Dominionists like James Dobson or Tony Perkins my freedom (and yours) may be short-lived indeed.
June 9, 2005
My Statement of (Non)Belief
Interesting post. If you get the opportunity, you may want to read 'The Salmon of Doubt' (assuming you haven't already done so) to compare Douglas Adams's views with yours.
Aha. I had one of those aha moments, then more and more until "belief" became a lie.
The Fortean Times had an article on the Intelligent Design theory, and how it doesn't even support itself. The surface gloss is convincing, but when you start to look at specific examples it collapses into a heap of wishful thinking.
Douglas Adams was the most lucid thinker I have ever read, I second the recommend for Salmon of Doubt.
I am honored that my question elicited such eloquence. Thank you.
I wish I had some awesome way of trying to make my point, or some deep, intelligent statement that would give you have another 'Aha moment' as you realized you are a believer after all. But all I can say is that I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that God is real, and that He gave His son, Jesus to die for all of us. I believe the Bible - every word of it. Now, that doesn't mean I UNDERSTAND HOW it all came to be. But I don't need to know all that right now. That's where faith comes in. There are MANY things in life that don't make sense - does that mean they aren't real? I face things every single day, as I'm sure you do, that are unexplainable, unfair, or just don't make sense, but there they are anyway. So why, how, or when, God came to be isn't that important to me. All I need to know is He IS, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL BE. When I get to heaven, ALL will be made clear.
Thanks for listening ~MARCI~
Marci,
There is none, because your certain path will never fit all that transcends. I do not have the arrogance to presume that I know the mind of what you call god. I do not know what heaven even is, far less that I have surety that I will "go" there when I die. I think the mystery is far more infinite and complex, with no guarantees at all. I feel far more connection to the spiritual now that I have opened my heart to what is, rather than what I have been told is. I cannot fit into that concrete mold the glory I have experienced directly. The light that fills my day refuses to be named and restricted by dogma and orthodoxy.
David, I apologize if I crossed the line with this, I will not be offended if you remove my response.
very well written. There are many questions that one can ask if one is really looking for answers. Many people look to and need to have a 'higher power' and that is fine. I agree that one can have a belief system but they really should not force it on anyone.
(I do believe in God, but He and I really need to have a serious talk one of these days.)
At first, I thought that the existence of a divine being is a mere notion of idealistic minds. To some extent, their argument that a grand design such as the earth can only be done out of a powerful hand. It seems to me that the world is a physical manifestation of God and men are his emotional description.
Honorable idea, very interesting. With the theory of God (I'm a non-devout Christian) I've played with almost any idea you could think of.
My favorite is that we are seperate ideas in the subconcious of God's mind. We are apart of his really long dream. As in Men in Black, how the galaxy was the size of a marble. Maybe our God is having a dream which we are all a part of and the only thing holding us all on the same plane of existance is the fact we don't really exist at all by ourselves.
Like I said, fun idea. Nice site too.
Well, it was fun reading it, and one day I might actually create a blog in answer to it. Mostly because I enjoy a good debate.
Suffice it to say, that I, as a Christian, Have riddled these same questions and yet, I am still a Christian. Funny how challenges effect differing changes in oneself.
One of my favorite mind teasers always leads me down darkened corridors with no answers, and the question goes like this: How can God, knowing all, know for sure there is not another God somewhere else? And if that were the case, then of course wouldn't he be asking the same questions? "Is there a God?"
Silly isn't it?
Although quite a mind bender, it still does not relieve the possibility of a Creator, whether or not he himself was created is irrelevant, even if it weren't a foolish idea.
You see to me there is no question of whether or not there is a God or not. That is so firmly established by probahbility, that it is almost laughable to conclude any other possibility. But, the thought of a God that has exisited before there was anything else, and beyond that, now THAT, blows my mind. (The Bible teaches that God and His Son were before all things - That means ALL things.) Of course I can say with relative confidence that I am NOT God, so my innability to grasp such constructs of the imagination does not suprise me.
What I note briefly about your perception of Biblical knowledge, is that it is fairly wrong - or at least very, very incomplete. But thats OK, mine is too on occasion. The difference being however, that I cannot find any logical reasoning that gives me the ability to exclude a Creator, vis a vis, my own finiteness, and foolishness. This includes all you have written here, which has appeared in various forms throughout human history. One erroneous statement is your claim that a bunch of people got together and "Voted on the Bible". The uninitiated probably do not know that you refer to the Council of Nicenes. You are either very ignorant about how the various books of the Bible were chosen, or you have decided to fabricate a description to cast doubt in the minds of your listeners. Either scenario is unconscienable. Both secular scholars, and Christians scholars understand why.
It always amazes me that people think they have come up with a new way to explain life, when actually every concept they have ever come up with will have already been concluded in various incarnations in one form or another. Quite simply, Agnostics and Atheists NEVER come up with any new material.
Another point of note: I was involved in a Paralegal capacity for several years (Constitutional law), and I can steadfastly declare that you do not know American History. Oh, you do know some sort of history, but mostly from propaganda of a sort that is always filtered by the winner through the victor's controlled superstructure. The fact that you need to ask what victor I speak of, or what winner I am talking about, further establishes the case. (Yes I know, I am not elaborating, but then I would have to write a book, and there are so many unproven conclusions in your statement of unbelief, I'll take the liberty of exercising similar liberties here)
I suppose you do believe in revisionist history? Or are you to be like most other people victimized at the winds of political pursuit? While claims are made that this group or that makes news, or "spins it", These same people are not cognizant enough to recognze that such statements prove that there are forces attempting to change their understanding of history, and it has been exceptionally successful in the USA. One good example is what the founding fathers thought about 'democracy". Read Federalist Papers 10-11, to get the meaning.
So, How can a fellow like me, answer people making these sorts of observations such as the ones you have made?
The answer is, I cannot. This is because it is a battle, an argument, even a political pursuit that consists solely as a battle of ideologies. This is the identical battle spoken of in the Holy Scriptures. Its Good v Evil, but its got a different name in every generation. Rememeber - Nothing new under the sun?
In conclusion: I do not question your statement that you were a Bible thumper. However, I do question whether or not you ever really accepted Christ. I doubt it. The Bible itself states that individual Christians KNOW they have God. This cannot be "believed away". Once you have received Jesus, there is no way to go back - Old things are passed away... all things are become new. Quite simply put, you cannot "unaccept" God. You can only not accept him - or reject him in the first place.
Cheers!
Mark
Thanks, Reid, for your words. I was just reading about Reconstructionism and hearing you (in a way) disagree with me was nice. Because you were tolerant. Yes, we don't see eye to eye, but that's okay. If we were told to see everything the same way by our leaders, we'd be no better than Saudi Arabia or Iran.
You understand that your believe system is your spiritual journey. Only you can take your own journey, just like I take my own. We all look at the world in different ways. And just because some in the christian community would call you 'liberal' (and based on what your wrote, you would be) doesn't mean your wrong. And it doesn't mean they're right. And it doesn't mean I'm right. It's a journey, but do we really know the destination? (Perphaps 'know' should be emphasized.
So I should thank you for admitting you're human. Many believers seem to not know that when they're talking to people who don't believe in the same things they do.
Thanks for your reply =]
Something that you said struck me as funny and true, that many times Christians forget they are human, and forget what the Bible REALLY says. It's great to have your beliefs, and I have very strong Christian beliefs, but so many times Christians forget that the Bible says to be humble and loving. When you take on the "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality, you really are neither. While we should be preaching the gospel, we should be preaching it with love and not judgment, because this is also biblical. So many times nowadays, people in general feel the need to force their views on other people, and the truth is that with the gospel, this will turn many more people away then to show them Christ. So I've decided to solidify my beliefs, be peaceful, be neither offensive or defensive, and just live and love like the Bible truly teaches. It kills me when I see Christians take on this self-righteous attitude, because that's not what Christ teaches at all.
Did Jesus condemn anyone to hell for not following the law? I think he did a number to a fig tree or something, but generally the accounts say he was pretty nice.
I saw a bumper sticker in the Wal-Mart parking lot a few days ago that said "Truth not Tollerance." That's the kind of attitude that turns people like me off.
Like you said, where's the compassion in that?
And, remember, Biblically speaking, the old Laws are over. The New Testament is the kinder part of the book. (Although Paul had some real issues with people who weren't like him (say, women)...)
Well the deal with the fig tree wasn't that it "didn't follow the Law", it was that the tree didn't bear good fruit, which is spoken in parable. Interpretation being that someone who is truly living like they are supposed to will not only have the Christian beliefs but will act as a Christian truly should. Which is my deal with Christians nowadays (not omitting myself), who have the beliefs but have no love or compassion for others. It's so easy for us to think we are so great and perfect because we've got the Book, we've got Jesus, all the while never really understanding what Jesus is saying, never realizing that Jesus wasn't talking so much to the "sinners" as He was to us perfect ones. The Bible gives me hope, teaches me how to love, but is also very, very convicting.
I myself am a Christian, and while I still fully believe the Bible, I have to say I understand where you're coming from. Let me say again, as far as the beliefs, I'm solid. But I feel the same about being bothered by people polluting the religion. I'm starting to see that a fair amount of people will label themselves as Christians and go to church once a week just so they can be called a "Christian", all the while not living like the Bible says they should.
For instance, "God Bless America", but wait...God loves everyone! Or the war in Iraq, Bush is supposedly a religious man, yet Matthew 26:52 says "all who draw the sword will die by the sword". It upsets me when I see "Christians" proclaiming that God is behind them whenever they make decisions that are clearly Biblically incorrect. If you're going to call yourself a "Christian", then live by the Bible, and stop putting on an act.
I'm also upset by the lack of thinking in the church sometimes. It's obvious to me that God wouldn't only want us to follow a select group of leaders. I'm not saying that pastors and elders of churches are wrong, I'm just saying that God gave everyone minds capable of great wisdom and great capacity, and I doubt that He would want us to allow others to think for us.
So while you and I, dear writer, have different beliefs, I really appreciate your writing here. Diversity is very important, talk like this is what gets us all to really think on our own. I'm also sorry for the way us Christians our living nowadays, and while I'm not "good" myself, I'm trying to clean up my act and truly follow the God that I claim to love.
Thanks again for your thought-provoking words.
-Reid

